Was There A
Global Flood In Noah’s Life Time, Where Did The Water Come From, Where Did It
Go, And Does It Even Matter?
Outline for
PSU CFSF discussion, 2/17/2000
I. Biblical
Chronology: most
precisely recorded year in the Bible
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Flood begins suddenly with all the
fountains of the great deep bursting opening on one day. "Geshem
rain" begins. Gen. 7:11
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40 days and 40 nights of "geshem
rain" Gen. 7:12
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Flood waters continue to rise until the
150th day when they cover all the earth's mountains, and all land life died
except those on the Ark. Gen 7:20-24
8:2
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150th Day: A wind passes over the
earth. Waters begin to subside. Ark lands on the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:1-5
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150th -- 371st Day: All passengers
remain on Ark. Gen 8:14
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371st Day: Ark off-loaded. Gen 8:15-19
Genesis 7
11 In the six
hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of
the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open [with
enormous explosiveness, magnitude, and power], and the floodgates of the sky
were opened.
12 The rain [Hebrew
word used here is geshem which means extreme rain (rather than matar which
means normal rain) and is sometimes accompanied by high winds and huge
hailstones that can destroy mortared walls-Ezekiel 13:11-13] fell upon the
earth for forty days and forty nights. (could fountains-rain be a cause and
effect sequence?).
20 The water
prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the mountains were covered.
21 All flesh that
moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming
thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;
22 of all that was on
the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.
23 Thus He blotted
out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals
to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the
earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the
ark.
24 The water
prevailed upon the earth one hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 8
1 BUT God remembered
Noah and all the beasts and all the cattle that were with him in the ark; and
God caused a wind to pass over the earth, and the water subsided.
2 Also the fountains
of the deep and the floodgates of the sky were closed, and the rain from the
sky was restrained;
3 and the water
receded steadily from the earth, and at the end of one hundred and fifty days
the water decreased.
4 In the seventh
month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark rested upon the mountains
of Ararat.
5 The water decreased
steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the
month, the tops of the mountains became visible.
14 In the second
month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry.
15 Then God spoke to
Noah, saying,
16 Go out of the ark,
you and your wife and your sons and your sons' wives with you.
17 Bring out with you
every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every
creeping thing that creeps on the earth, that they may breed abundantly on the
earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth.
18 So Noah went out,
and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him.
19 Every beast, every
creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out by
their families from the ark.
II. Evidence for a cataclysmic global flood in Noah’s Lifetime.
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The following are
subjects of controversy within the earth sciences that can best be understood
and explained by a cataclysmic global flood during the lifetime of Noah.
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The waters erupted
from subterranean chambers with an energy release exceeding the release of ten
billion hydrogen bombs.
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The consequences of
this event include the rapid formation of the features listed below.
1.
The
Grand Canyon and Other Canyons
2.
Mid-Oceanic
Ridge
3.
Continental
Shelves and Slopes
4.
Ocean
Trenches
5.
Seamounts
and Tablemounts
6.
Earthquakes
7.
Magnetic
Variations on the Ocean Floor
8.
Submarine
Canyons
9.
Coal
and Oil Formations
10.
Methane
Hydrates
11.
Ice
Ages
12.
Frozen
Mammoths
13.
Major
Mountain Ranges, arising out of the flood waters during the compression event.
14.
Overthrusts
15.
Volcanoes
and Lava
16.
Geothermal
Heat
17.
Strata
and Layered Fossils
18.
Limestone
19.
Metamorphic
Rock
20.
Plateaus
21.
Salt
Domes
22.
Jigsaw
Fit of the Continents
23.
Fossil
Graveyards, even on every major mountain range on earth
24.
Comets
III. Where did all of the water come from?
The Canopy Theory
Scientific Arguments opposing the canopy theory:
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The entry heat problem
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The greenhouse heat problem
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The light and sight transmission
problem
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The nucleation problem
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The pressure problem
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The containment problem
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The ultraviolet light problem
Probable Pre-flood
earth surface
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Europe, Asia, Africa, and
the Americas were joined across what is now the Atlantic Ocean.
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On the granite crust were
seas, both deep and shallow and mountains, all smaller than those of today but
some perhaps 5,000 feet high.
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Two
assumptions underlie the hydroplate theory.
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All
else follows from those two assumptions and the laws of physics.
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Theories
of past events always have some assumptions or initial conditions.
Assumption #1. Subterranean Water.
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Biblical
support for the presence of subterranean water. Gen. 1:6-7 without the words “of the heavens” added as in verses
14-20, uses the word expanse to mean the earth’s crust which divides the
surface water from the subterranean waters below. Some other verses that support this interpretation: Psalm 24:1-2, 33:7, 104:3-6, 136:5-9, and
II-Peter 3:3-6.
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Before
the 24 features (listed above) formed as a result of the global flood, it is
assumed that the earth had a large amount of salty, subterranean water—about
half of what is now in the oceans.
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This
subterranean water was contained in interconnected chambers about 10 miles
below the earth’s granite crust.
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Excluding
the solid structure of the inter-connected chambers, the subterranean water
would have formed a thin, spherical shell, ¾ of a mile in thickness.
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Minerals
and gases were dissolved in this water, especially salt (NaCl) and carbon
dioxide.
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Beneath
the subterranean water was a layer of basaltic rock, and beneath the basalt was
the top of the earth’s mantle. An important distinction between the basalt and
upper mantle was discovered in 1909 by seismologist Andrija Mohorovicic. He
noticed that earthquake waves passing into the mantle suddenly increased in
speed. This boundary, now called the discontinuity, has for obvious reasons
been shortened to “The Moho.”
Assumption #2 Increasing
Pressure.
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The
hydroplate theory assumes the pressure in the subterranean water was
increasing. That pressure increase
caused the granite crust to rupture releasing the fountains of the great
deep. No attempt will be made here to
determine what caused these initial conditions.
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Instead,
it will simply be assumed that about 10 miles below the interconnected
continents of Europe, Asia, Africa, and
the Americas was a large shell of salty,
subterranean water, and pressure was increasing within that water.
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It
appears that all 24 features described earlier, such as major mountain ranges
and the Grand Canyon, are consequences of these two basic assumptions.
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The
chain of events that flow naturally from these starting conditions are divided
into four phases.
1.
Rupture Phase:
(day 1)
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A crack propagates around the earth in
about 2 hours releasing subterranean water.
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Some of the fountains of muddy water
jet high above the earth and freeze.
Mammoths are frozen in muddy hail falling from above the
atmosphere.
2.
Flood Phase:
(first 150 days)
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After 40 days, rising flood waters
blanket and suppress the high jetting fountains of the great deep.
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Animals and plants are buried.
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High-pressure subterranean waters
continue to gush out.
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Liquefaction sorts sediments and dead
plants and animals.
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Coal and oil deposits begin forming.
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Salt domes begin forming.
3.
Continental Drift Phase:
(~ day 150)
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Mid-Atlantic Ridge buckles up, and the
hydroplates slide downhill. As the
massive hydroplates meet resistance and decelerate, they crush, thicken, buckle
up and down, and heat up in a gigantic
compression event.
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Overthrusting occurs in some places.
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Continents take on present shape.
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Major mountains and trenches are formed
displacing air and causing a great wind.
Metamorphic rock is formed.
4.
Recovery Phase:
(from day 150 to now)
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Hostile environment: earthquakes, volcanic activity, initially
high continents, water drainage, and lack of food. Ice "ages" begin.
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Lowered sea level facilitates land
migrations, allowing formation of tablemounts and submarine canyons. Plateaus
form.
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Many continental canyons form by dam
breaching.
V. Where did the
water go?
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It’s all still here, the mountains rose
out of it in the drift phase and the water drained out into the newly formed
deep ocean basins during the recovery phase.
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As the continents continued to settle
and the basalt conformed, the water level continued to rise until in the days
of Peleg (approx. 200 years after the flood), the continents were divided by
water.
VI. 8 min video
“Young Age of the Earth”
VII. Does it even
matter?
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If an historic event as cataclysmic as
a global flood were ignored, for any reason, major errors would creep into
science and society.
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One of the first would be the
explanation for fossils. Typically, Fossil A lies below Fossil B, which lies
below Fossil C, etc. If flood explanations were weak or disallowed, then
evolution provides an answer: Organism A turned into B which later turned into
C. Fossil layers would represent vast amounts of time.
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Other geologic features could then be
fit into that time frame. With so much time available, possible explanations
multiply, explanations not easily tested in less than a million years.
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Two centuries later, evolutionary
explanations would be given for the universe, heavenly bodies, chemical
elements, and life.
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These ideas are false. There are major flaws in these geologic
explanations.. . For example,
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coal, oil, and methane did not form
over hundreds of millions of years; they formed in months.
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Fossils and layered strata did not form
over a billion years; they formed in months.
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The Grand Canyon did not form over 6
million years; it formed in a few weeks.
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Earth’s major mountains did not form
over hundreds of millions of years; each formed in minutes.
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Failure to answer honest flood
questions from laymen and scientists has opened the door to evolution.
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Answering them will begin to reestablish
the flood as earth’s defining geological event
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and will begin to reverse serious
errors that have crept into science and society.
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Are you shocked at how catastrophic the
flood was?
VIII Closing
thought:
“The waters were standing above the mountains. At Thy rebuke they fled; at the sound of Thy
thunder they hurried away. The
mountains rose; the valleys sank down…[so that the waters] may not cover the
earth.” (Ps
104: 6-9)
Ref.: IN THE BEGINNING: Compelling Evidence for
Creation and the Flood, 6th edition
Dr. Walt Brown, Director
of the Center for Scientific Creation
S.
A. Mumma
214
Engineering Unit A
3-2091 sam11@psu.edu