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Digital Dialogue 06: Attentive Listening

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In episode six of the Digital Dialogue, I am joined by Marina McCoy, Associate Professor of Philosophy at Boston College and longstanding member of the Ancient Philosophy Society.

Marina has written extensively on Plato, focusing on the role of rhetoric in his thinking. Her recent book, Plato on the Rhetoric of Philosophers and Sophists, published by Cambridge University Press, investigates the relation between Socratic questioning and the rhetoric of the sophists.

She shows, convincingly, that part of what differentiates the Socratic practice of philosophy from other rhetorical activities is that the activity of philosophy involves at once a commitment to the truth and an openness to questioning the human relation to the truth itself.

In the podcast we focus on passage from Plato's Protagoras in which the issue of the nature of Socratic questioning is at play.  These include 331c5-d1, 333c9-d6 and 348c-d.  We then turn to the question of what Marina calls "sympathetic listening" and the degree to which this is an important for the transformative possibilities of dialogue.  There the passages we touch upon are: 328e-329b.  For examples of Hippocrates listening, see 312a and for the scene at the doorway, see 314c-e.  For the passage that suggests that Protagoras is not a bad listener, see, for example, 359d.

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It was rewarding to see that the Agora Portal at Boston College highlighted Marina's appearance on the Digital Dialogue.  Because that site updates with new stories so frequently, I thought I would post a screenshot here to preserve it for posterity.

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Digital Dialogue Podcast 05: Identity

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In episode five of the Digital Dialogue podcast, I am joined by Joshua Miller, Ph.D. candidate in Philosophy and blogger under the pseudonym anotherpanacea. We focus on the question of identity and anonymity. 

Because Josh is writing his dissertation on Arendt, our discussion circled around some of the central themes of her political thinking, including the public/private distinction, the manner in which words and action are bound to one another, the question of responsibility and the need for thought to be sheltered.

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  • Left of Centre: an anonymously written by "Thorstein Veblen" about the Penn State administration.
  • Evernote: a note taking program for the desktop, mobile devices, etc.
Josh suggested a list of blogs on the left and right that are well balanced and thoughtful. 

For some open minded conservative blogs:

Digital Dialogue Podcast 04: Social Practice

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In episode four of the Digital Dialogue podcast, Allan Gyorke and I talk with recent PhD Philosophy graduate and Assistant Professor of Philosophy at New Jersey Institute of Technology, Michael Brownstein, about his work on the social practices embodied by web 2.0 technologies. We discuss his paper The Background, the Body and the Internet: Locating Practical Understanding in Digital Culture, in which he criticizes Hubert Dreyfus's position that the internet is incapable of cultivating a genuine public space.  Michael uses the work of Bourdieu to argue that the social fields opened by web 2.0 technologies are informed by a set of habits (in the sense of habitus) that lend themselves to scholarly study.  This study, he calls, following Dreyfus's characterization of Bourdieu's project, an "empirical program of existential analytics."

We discuss how these ideas relate to the question of Socratic politics and Michael presents some ideas about a new online journal being developed as part of an NSF grant on which he is working with colleagues at NJIT.

Digital Dialogue 04 with Michael Brownstein: Social Practice

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Justice Rolling Around

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In an attempt to perform a bit of Socratic politics and extend this project to a wider community, my TLT fellowship team and I thought it would be interesting to produce a YouTube video that would turn people's attention to the question of justice.  

The idea is to draw on the powerful visual language of Plato's text in order to encourage people to ask the question: what is justice and how does it appear in concrete terms between us as we engage in dialogue with one another.

So, here is the rather long passage from the Republic I thought we could use for the video. 

The context, which I discuss in further detail in my article, Socrates and the Politics of Music, is that Socrates is talking to a group of young men who have political aspirations, including Glaucon, who is the most important of Socrates' interlocutors in the Republic.  He is also Plato's brother. After a long discussion of city imagined in speech, Socrates asks them to look in it for courage, wisdom, moderation and, finally, justice. 

The passage I would like to highlight in the video is the one where Socrates asks Glaucon to look for justice. Here is Bloom's translation, which might need to be revised a bit for the video, but for now it will do. The passage (432b-432e) begins with Socrates speaking.

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"So then, Glaucon, we must, like hunters, now station ourselves in a circle around the thicket and pay attention so that justice doesn't slip through somewhere and disappear into obscurity. Clearly it's somewhere hereabouts. Look to it and make every effort to catch sight of it; you might somehow see it before me and could tell me." 

"If only I could," he said. "However, if you use me as a follower and a man able to see what's shown him, you'll be making quite sensible use of me." 

"Follow," I said, "and pray with me." 

"I'll do that," he said, "just lead." 

"The place really appears to be hard going and steeped in shadows," I said. "At least it's dark and hard to search out. But, all the same, we've got to go on." 

"Yes," he said, "we've got to go on." And I caught sight of it and said, "Here! Here! Glaucon. Maybe we've come upon a track; and, in my opinion, it will hardly get away from us." 

"That's good news you report," he said. 

"My, my," I said, "that was a stupid state we were in." 

"How's that?" 

"It appears, you blessed man, that it's been rolling around at our feet from the beginning and we couldn't see it after all, but were quite ridiculous. As men holding something in their hand sometimes seek what they're holding, we too didn't look at it but turned our gaze somewhere far off, which is also perhaps just the reason it escaped our notice." 

"How do you mean?" he said. 

"It's this way," I said, "In my opinion, we have been saying and hearing it all along without learning from ourselves that we were in a way saying it."

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Here are the features I would like to highlight: 
  • the dimension of searching, hunting; 
  • the elusiveness of justice; 
  • the insistence that they go on despite this elusiveness; 
  • the main idea is that justice is somehow always already here in the dialogue between people searching for it
Images I would like to emphasize visually:
  • Stationing around a thicket searching for justice disappearing.
  • Following and leading.
  • Hard going, steeped in shadows; dark
  • Here! Here! (actually, the Greek is iou, iou -- which is an exclamation of woe, but can also be one of joy, so it indicates a barely articulate state of excitement and joy)
  • Tracking
  • Rolling around at our feet
  • Being ridiculous
  • Not noticing what is being held or in front of us
  • The saying of justice
 

Digital Dialogue Podcast 03: Sincerity

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In episode 03 of the Digital Dialogue Podcast, Ryan, Matt, Allan and I consider the question of sincerity as it relates to dialogue and politics. In the course of the discussion, we consider how the disjunction between words and deeds is erosive of politics, the relation between sincerity and playfulness and how different modes of digital expression offer different possibilities of connection.

Digital Dialogue 03: Sincerity.

Attempting Politics

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The sentence from the Gorgias that provokes this inquiry into the nature of Socratic politics comes toward the end of the dialogue, when Socrates has worn out the belligerent Callicles, who has here all but given up trying to combat Socrates.  This is what Socrates says:

I think that with few Athenians, so as not to say the only one, I attempt (epicheirein) the political art truly and I alone of those now living practice politics; for it is not with a view to gratification that I speak the speeches I speak on each occasion, but with a view to the best... (521d6-9)
There is much to discuss in this passage, and I will need to return to it in further detail over the course of the inquiry, but I cite it here at the beginning to emphasize that Socrates explicitly says that he attempts, or tries -- indeed, tries his hand at -- the political art.

(David Roochnik emphasizes this in Of Art and Wisdom: Plato's Understanding of Techne. University Park, PA: The Pennsylvania State University Press, 1996, 191.)

Politics here is something attempted, and to practice it truly requires a certain way of speaking.  The speeches spoken on each occasion must be said with a view not to gratification, but they must be directed toward the best, which remains itself elusive. 

Thus, the false modesty with which the sentence begins is ultimately eclipsed by a true humility that attempts to articulate the best, even as it remains beyond the human grasp.

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